bonding with askerian

[kaigou]

...Because then there's the reviews that just make you go *stompstompstomp*

Your story started very good and interested but you made it each time more and more complicated. AND the result is not GW anymore even if they are in, no it is some strange story. What every you wanted to reach with you story I dont think you are going in good direction. You have very good talent for writing but here it is not GW story anymore. Come on, do something here. Dont get mad.

Yes, this would be the point of an AU, girly. Ah, another poor fan who honestly believes safe-houses and unrequited luuuurve make up the majority of the storyline. Because obviously war, despair, philosophy, and mecha (can't forget the mecha!) aren't GW.

Then again, Tyr (the GWA archivist) mentioned to me the other day that her most common complaint about my stories is that they're never IC; in her opinion, it's all ofic with GW names slapped on. I told her, I don't take it personally anymore. Now, when she tells me that, I'm happy, because it means the rest of the fandom will read it as being completely IC. It's when she tells me the story's IC (like Trace, which she really liked) that I get worried.

It's like reverse archivist psychology, or something.

*stomps off*

Comments

[askerian]

Not in character? wtf. Did we watch the same show-- oh, wait, my mistake. You don't take you characterization from the approved fanon, therefore your interpretation isn't valid. U_U GRARRR.

*bonds through stomping*

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

Actually, I know Tyr isn't one for fanon, so I'm not really sure where we diverge. I've tried to figure it out, but it's such a nebulous thing...and given that no one else fusses, I figure she's the odd one out, not the rest of you. Or possibly you're all lying to me, and Duo really is a wussy, big-eyed, sniffly, girly-boy. Would explain a lot about some of the Duo cosplayers I know...

*bonds with Asuka in hopes of more Two Knights*

[askerian]

i'm not really ranting about Tyr, altough i do find that comment weird from him/her (do we have a definite proof of gender yet?), but about all the fangurls who said that u_u and that review.. GRARR. *stompstomp*

Get online and poke me and maybe I'll see if I feel like writing. don't bet on it, though. I feel LAAAZY.

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

*poke*

[pixiepilot.livejournal.com]

I kill you. *tackles and pummles*

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

Well, that's one way to do it.

*dies laughing*

[katikat.livejournal.com]

Not IC? O.O I think your stories are the most IC ones I´ve ever read. And I like your attitude. And don´t worry, she told me the same :D *claps you on the back*

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

Heh, we should start a club! 'Tyr's OOC Stamp of Approval' club! ;D

[branchandroot]

*flinches* Wow, that review is so badly written it actually made me wince to read. And this person thinks she has any place critiquing anyone else? Not.

Actually, most of the wince-fulness could be put down to ESL. The demand that you "do something", followed by the "don't get mad" afterthought is what really calls for the combat boots.

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

I'd give the benefit of the doubt, if I thought ESL was the issue - there are native speakers who thwap me regularly for the complexity and speed of the story - but the mistakes in that review are more reminiscent of what I see native speakers do, rather than ESL. So I think it's just an issue of yet another pushy fangirl who wishes I'd stop drooling over mecha and tech specifications and get back to the good part. Y'know, sweaty boy piles. (Or it's possible that the growing 1+R storyline has her suffering hives; I've gotten a few desperate pleas that I put a stop to that pronto.)

Cause, y'know, I'm so the kind of person to keel under to threats. Woo! 1xR sex scene, coming right up! Bwahahahaha.

*watches the fangirls flee in terror*

[christeos-pir.livejournal.com]

> approved fanon

Only if we're talking about Franz Fanon. *ducks*

- V -

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

See, you uncultured non-fan, it's kinda like that mythical list for chinese restaurants. Two from column A, one from column B: golden, temple, dragon, lion, house, hunan, peking, etc. Only in this case, it's things like: 'braided boy', 'unibanged boy,' dragon, 'perfect soldier', 'violet orbs' (don't ask). Actually you might not want to ask about any of the above or I'll just spit nails for about a half-hour.

[siriusjazz.livejournal.com]

*cackles* Omg, I am so guilty of that. *sheepish* But I was 14 when I first started writing fic - 14! So you could see how some of those abominations filtered into my head. XD;;;

Fortunately, I dropped using those later on for what I consider to be my better fics. Unfortunately, that means the vast majority of the rest of them include terrible, horrendous cliches. XD

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

Sometimes I am eternally grateful I did not start writing significant fanfiction until later in life...and even more grateful the internet as a popular exchange did not exist until after I left college. The idea of posting some of my earliest stuff on the net - and knowing it's still out there - would have me hiding under the bed, even now.

[christeos-pir.livejournal.com]

FANON, Franz Omar, (1925-1961), African revolutionary. Born in Martinique Fanon served in the French army during World War II. He was head of the psychiatry department, Blida-Joinville Hospital, Algeria (1953-56) and in 1954 joined the Algerian liberation movement becoming editor of its newspaper El Moudjahid in Tunis in 1956. He was appointed ambassador to Ghana by the Provisional Government in 1960. Fanon wrote Black Skin, White Masks (1952) and The Wretched of the Earth (1961, with a foreword by JP Sartre), Year Five of the Algerian Revolution (1959), and Pour la Révolution Africaine (1964).

- http://www.heartfield.demon.co.uk/fanon.htm

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

...And then went on to die in relative obscurity, his name only remembered as an epitaph for the butchering young fangirls do to perfectly good anime everywhere. Poor guy.

[sarolynne.livejournal.com]

Not IC? Um. Well, I suppose there's always room for interpretation. What one person finds IC, another might not. Personally, I think you're characters are more IC than 90%+ of stories I've read, so whatever.

And yeah, it would seem this person isn't entirely clear on the AU concept. Bah.

Sorry I ignored you this morning. I was...uh, actually rather hungover. >_

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

Sorry I ignored you this morning. I was...uh, actually rather hungover.

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

It could be argued that all of us who extrapolate the characters and write them post-series (but in canon) are OOC, since we're writing how we think they would develop, five, ten, fifteen years later. The question is whether or not it's believable that any of them would end up where we say they have, given the experiences we've attributed to their history post-series or post-EW. I think it's believable that Relena would end up like she is in Tet, but she's nothing like the original Relena.

Then again, if anyone ever said to me, "you're just like you were at 15, still!" I'd probably deck them.

[sarolynne.livejournal.com]

That is true. But I still think there's a range of IC/OOC for extrapolation, though. I mean, we do try to logical extensions. It's like writing AUs. Obviously characters can't be precisely the same, because they haven't had to same experiences, but there's still a level of reasonability.

And, crap, at 15...? I think that was at the peak of my quiet/glaring phase.

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

And, crap, at 15...? I think that was at the peak of my quiet/glaring phase.

Well, that part hasn't changed. It's the 'crush on every person in ten feet' that's chilled. *cringes*

[siriusjazz.livejournal.com]

*blinkety*

Meh. So someone's complaining about a complicated story? You think that someone would be grateful to find good fic in the hordes of terrible cliche fic that's out there in the GW fandom. >_>x

I'd have to disagree with Tyr, though - your fics are some of the most IC and intelligent ones (in my opinion, anyway) that I've ever read in the fandom.

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

If I didn't write characters IC, I'd be afraid what you'd do with that photograph of me...not the pins! not the pins! Actually, I think if I ever deviated too far (and I know I've pushed the envelope; we all do at some point or another), the War Room would probably track me down and kick my ass. So, like, I'm really only IC because I fear a painful death.

Otherwise I would happily write Duo as a wussy, big-eyed, sniffly, girly-boy.

[habibti.livejournal.com]

You'll have to aim your tirade against CP at me as well. I also thought that Franz Fanon had somehow mysteriously infiltrated internet fan-fiction. [ducks for cover].


I will reveal my ignorance further by asking you what IC is. Is it far away from the OC? [ducks for cover again]

The job of a fanfic filterer never ends, does it?

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

Quick intro, babe.

canon: the original text. duh.
fanon: how fans interprete it. cause, y'know, Dawn's a whiney child, and Anya has no feelings. Or, Duo is a wussy girly-boy, and Heero has no feelings. Etc.

IC: in character
OOC: out of character

I'm sure there's others but I'm trying to finish a chapter of Tet, contemplating strategy during WWII, the fundamental differences between North and South during the War Between the States, and whether or not it'd be wise to blow up L3. Heh.

[mikkeneko.livejournal.com]

Oddly enough, I can understand exactly what Tyr means. I've thought similar things. I wouldn't have phrased it that way though.

It's not a question of canon vs. fanon as it is fanfic vs ofic, I think. Your stories are very different from pretty much all the other fanfic out there. The characters may be GW, but the stories themselves and plotlines go so above and beyond most other fics, or in places the original GW itself, that it's as much as watching a whole nother anime or reading a series of books. Naturally in such situations the characters will develop and change in different ways than they would if your stories went in another direction.

[solitude1056.livejournal.com]

Yaoi-con was good to you, eh? What a sweet way to put it, and made my day. ;-) Yeah, I know I do write stuff different from the rest, but I don't consider myself that different; then again, I have CYT, Mal, Arith, and Casey as cohorts in crime. I'd certainly never put The Arrangement or Glory in the category of 'just like the rest'. (I will never, ever, ever write a story that involves a safe house, however. Period.) I guess it would seem like it's a whole 'nother anime - but then, I have this obsession with character development...and honestly, of all the stories, maybe only Drums had them ending at points closest to where they began. All the rest, they move away from their starting points.

Oh, well. As long as it's coherent, believeable, and consistent within the story itself, that's what matters...uh, right?