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[unlocked once I felt more confident that I'd managed to avoid unintentional inflammatory speech]

No matter where you stand in the political spectrum, there's no doubt that right now, as Americans, we really are seeing our world change. I remember visiting a friend, hanging out in his room when we heard his roommate yelling for us to get into the living room. There, we watched a live news feed of the citizens of Berlin pulling down the Wall. I felt like my legs had gone out from under me. To see something that had existed my entire life, crumbling under the force of people willing to say: no more. Amazing. Awesome. Breathtaking.

At the start of the Democratic primary, as the potential nominees dwindled down to two, at times it no longer mattered whether I agreed with both or neither or even the political positions. It was the simple fact that a major party, one of the major parties, could have a black man and a woman neck-and-neck. One way or another, this country would no longer be the same. No longer just white men lined up on the ballot sheet to command our highest offices. For the first time in my life, there was the potential, that the potential of "anyone can be president" would become, finally, an actuality.

In that sense, I find myself marveling at McCain's pick of VP. No matter how you look at it, one way or another, in November, this world I know will no longer be the same. That children across this country -- and those watching us from across borders and oceans -- will see that when this country tosses around the ideal of "any citizen could one day be president" that it's not hollow, it's true. Anyone, black, white, male, female, could achieve a high office of this land.

That said, over the past few days I've also found myself increasingly frustrated, but the only way to express that is to divide the politics from the personal. I mean: imagine, for a moment, that you agree closely enough with McCain that he has your vote. (And therefore, note, that there is no need in comments to say whether or not you actually would, why or why not, because this is hypothetical and therefore a post sans electoral politics, got that, so do please censor your editorializing: partisan politics are not relevant to this post.) Okay, so you have in your head a McCain who you agree with, or at least to the degree required that you'd find him a comfortable fit. Now, add in that he's selected a woman as his running mate, whose positions may swing to the left or right of the presidential nominee but are still somewhat close enough to your own that you can figure that it's not such a bad match. It's okay. It's acceptable.

Now that you have that in your head, you're in the mindset I've been in while I've turned this selection over in my head... and maybe you'll see why I've realized that the choice made -- though not for reasons of politics, or for reasons of party lines -- is downright insulting.

See, we may not have a lot of women in the upper echelons of the two major parties, but we do still have women who are both powerful and impressive. If the selection has a coldly political side of capturing women's votes, and therefore a woman candidate is the preference, there are certainly women to choose regardless of your party affiliation. I've arbitrarily set 2006 or later as "junior politico" level -- that's 18 months or fewer at the national level -- since we'd want someone experienced, right? This is the second-most-powerful position in the free world we're trying to fill, so we want a solid and capable resume. Even disregarding freshmen or widow-appointee politicos, we still have:

From the Senate, there's
    Barbara Boxer (D)
    Barbara Mikulski (D)
    Blanche Lincoln (D)
    Debbie Stabenow (D)
    Dianne Feinstein (D)
    Elizabeth Dole (R)
    Hillary Rodham Clinton (D)
    Kay Bailey Hutchison (R)
    Lisa Murkowski (R)
    Maria Cantwell (D)
    Mary Landrieu (D)
    Olympia Snowe (R)
    Patty Murray (D)
    Susan Collins (R)

From the House, there's:
    Jo Ann Emerson (R-MO)
    Donna M.C. Christensen (D-VI)
    Diana DeGette (D-CO)
    Kay Granger (R-TX)
    Darlene Hooley (D-OR)
    Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (D-MI)
    Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY)
    Loretta Sanchez (D-CA)
    Ellen Tauscher (D-CA)
    Barbara Lee (D-CA)
    Heather Wilson (R-NM)
    Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
    Shelley Berkley (D-NV)
    Judith Borg Biggert (R-IL)
    Grace Napolitano (D-CA)
    Janice Schakowsky (D-IL)
    Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV)
    Susan A. Davis (D-CA)
    Betty McCollum (D-MN)
    Hilda Solis (D-CA)
    Diane Watson (D-CA)
    Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)
    Madeleine Bordallo (D-GU)
    Ginny Brown-Waite (R-FL)
    Candice Miller (R-MI)
    Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO)
    Linda Sanchez (D-CA)
    Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-SD)
    Melissa Bean (D-IL)
    Thelma Drake (R-VA)
    Virginia Foxx (R-NC)
    Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA)
    Gwen Moore (D-WI)
    Allyson Schwartz (D-PA)
    Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (D-FL)
    Jean Schmidt (R-OH)

Governer? That adds in:
    Ruth Ann Minner-D
    Linda Lingle-R
    Jennifer Granholm-D
    Janet Napolitano-D
    Kathleen Sebelius-D
    M. Jodi Rell-R
    Christine Gregoire-D

That's 37 choices if you swing towards Democrat, and 20 choices if you swing towards Republican.

That's a lot of choices.

That's a lot of experienced, ground-breaking, incredible women.

Which is where my basic sense of offense comes in: if there are this many amazing women from among the ranks of experienced politicos, why pick a woman whose greatest political experience amounts to six years as the mayor of a very small town, and not even a full term served yet as governor?

I'm not saying being a mayor isn't a tough job; I'm sure it is, and I know for certain that it can be even tougher in a small town where you're rubbing shoulders with everyone on a daily basis and everyone really does know everyone. But it still seems like... well, I just have trouble being all that impressed when I also know the town in question has fewer residents than the entire student body + staff of my high school. At the university I attended, not counting the other three classes, postgrads, staff or faculty -- just the graduating class was larger than that small town, by 2K heads. CP currently attends a university with its own zip code and a population ten times the size of that small town. (You want management skills? Be the dean of that university.) I'm not saying a small town background is bad, or that it's less adequate than something with more sizeable numbers. I think it'd work perfectly fine for a starting point, and it has, for many folks. But I'd like to see a bit more, something that shows you may have begun in a place where pretty much everyone knows you, but that you reached past that to bigger things.

That brings me to the second part that I find uncomfortable: the repetition -- and by those of the candidate's own party, no less -- that the current position is in some part due to being the "at least it's not that other guy" candidate. A relative landslide in an election is one thing, but viewed in the light of sweeping out a previous politico whose approval ratings were in the negatives... well, uhm. Again, not that this is bad in and of itself, but... I'd prefer to see a full term followed by being re-elected. I'd like to see the position filled wasn't because of chance or political circumstances, but because the governor did a good enough job that his/her constituency wanted him/her back.

My point is that it's not like a junior politico -- who, in the words of a fellow party-member, has held office for "about two minutes" -- is the only choice. Look at that list above, from the House, from the Senate, from the Governor's mansions from Hawaii to Connecticut. There are a lot of options, certainly far more than when I first-ever registered to vote. There have got to be women on that list who have significant political experience, who check off the "small town origin" box and yet also have "run with the big dogs" time as well, who have brokered deals on the national level and have had to work both partisan and bipartisan structures to achieve their goals, who have been elected and proven themselves and been re-elected. Of those thirty-seven women, or those twenty women, there's got to be someone in there who satisfies whatever political party lines you (or this hypothetical presidential nominee) may prefer, but who have also been vetted thoroughly not just by a group of information-digging assistants but also by their own constituency.

That's why I find such a choice -- of a junior, unvetted, relatively unproven governor -- so offensive. It's like hiring a new CIO for your company and passing over all the women with long experience and full resumes and picking the greenest mid-level manager instead. Why? What the hell does that achieve?

And that's why, when I see the soundbite of the VP-selection crowing that her selection will shatter the glass ceiling, I want to just shake my head. No, darling, you're not going to shatter the glass ceiling. If anything, you risk crystallizing it to the point that it's four fricking feet thick. That's the danger of a token, that's the danger of an inexperienced token, and that's what has me so goddamned pissed off.

Because under the selection, I can't help but think: if you pick a woman who hasn't proven she can do the job, who has no experience doing the job, who may not flail under pressure but upon being vetted is revealed as a far-less-than-adequate (by whatever means or measurement), you know what's going to happen? It's this, plain and simple: you're going to become a walking example of why women shouldn't hold that office. Geraldine Ferraro and her taxes was one thing, but I can't recall anyone getting on Ferraro's case about her actual proven track record being inadequate... in this case? Totally inadequate. Totally setting up the situation for failure -- now, or later -- and opening the door to a boatload of people nodding their all-knowing heads and saying, see, that's why we've never elected a woman for VP or P, because look at that, they can't handle it.

I can't see any reason to pick a running mate with so little experience, so many potential back-story issues, so little time in the public eye, than if on some level you don't really want her -- or her fellow female politicos -- to look good, to succeed? What other message could I possibly get out of this? If you really want to satisfy that "woman on the ballot" requirement, and you really want to succeed, wouldn't you make the effort to pick a running mate who you know for certain won't go down in flames? There are scandals and controversies around nearly every damn politician I can name; it's part of the game. No one is ever going to please everyone, all the time: but at least those politicos with long-standing histories and broad influence have backstories already settled. Sure, you could snark about Hutchinson's scandal over improper use of her office but that case was acquited. It's done. You may fuss over whether Boxer should have been penalized more during the House banking scandal, but it's over now, and the dust has settled. The major skeletons have already been paraded down Main Street; there would be few surprises, and the fewer suprises, the more the person in question is armed against attacks. Opening the public eye to the life of someone who has not had such perusal -- and in fact is the object of an ongoing investigation -- is setting that person up, not just for failure but for potential humiliation at the same time.

And worst of all is that when we're talking about a category -- woman, or person of color -- which has historically been shut out of the white-boy-club, the danger is a hundred times more: oh, see, we were right. A woman can't do this. A black man can't do this. And the glass ceiling slams down harder, gets thicker, reinforced with the knowing nods of a hundred thousand bigots the country over who relax in their certainty that this proves it, y'know, that it's not a place for a woman.

I don't like the fact that the first token on the scene has to be that much better, that much stronger, that much smarter than the white-boy-network, but I won't deny that it is the way it works. If you're going to break that barrier, you do have to be stronger, smarter, better. You do have to do every single thing the status quo can do, and do it better, and do it backwards and in high heels. It's tiresome. It's wearying. It's difficult. It can be frustrating and sometimes heart-breaking and often soul-taking. But that's how the ceiling gets broken, that's the standard you've got to meet if you're going to break that barrier hard enough and wide enough for anyone to follow you.

In watching the newsfeed videos, I'd like to think that the reason attendees booed Palin's mention of Clinton was because Clinton is ideologically opposed in every possible way to Palin's political positions. But after thinking about it, I don't think that's really the reason. I do think that we are a better people than that, that we can recognize another person's contribution and inherent value despite disagreeing with them -- but I think in this case, the disapproval wasn't because Palin may have been implying she somehow stood with Clinton. I think it was because, on some undercurrent level we can't always articulate, that the audience was letting Palin know that what she may see as "being another woman following in the break-the-ceiling footsteps of an experienced Senator" is, to that audience, not her purpose, and that they're not interested in her trying to lay that veneer over it.

Maybe this junior, mid-level manager, inexperienced politico jumped at the chance to take a national role on the idealistic, hopeful grounds that she, too, could cut a swathe through the old-boy barriers just like Hillary Clinton and Kay Bailey Hutchinson and Nancy Pelosi and Condoleeza Rice and all the rest. And I wouldn't be surprised if some part of that, a very human part I'd say, also thought: and to do it while standing up for one's personal/familial values that aren't so moderate -- or, in a less positive sense, so compromised sold-out -- as the experienced politicos who've had to bend to consitituency and party demands. Wow, to stand in the ranks of those who made history, and to do it while remaining true to your values, what a chance! ...right?

That's why, of anyone on the stage right now, I do feel sorriest for this young (relatively speaking) inexperienced person who isn't even sure what the vice-presidential position is, for this person who's never stood before a bank of reporters and had to remember that if you say "China" and not "mainland China" that you could be creating a boatload of diplomatic waves that it'll take a lot of talking and a lot of apologizing to work your way out from under -- and that such a tiny gaffe is nothing compared to the risks of opening your mouth and speaking foolishly to show how little prepared you are versus keeping your mouth shut and proving only that you don't have an answer at all. And I feel especially sorry for anyone so little prepared for the level of criticism, critique, and study as the person who may stand one step away from the most powerful position in the free world.

The grilling you get in a state-wide election for governor is nothing, absolutely nothing, compared to having your personal and private life dragged out in front of the world, yes, the entire world, and it can hardly be anything but a brutal shock. It takes a very tough skin, an incredibly thick skin, to wade through the political waters and not find some of the exchanges hurtful on a personal level, and that skin doesn't come overnight, and that toughness is one I ascribe -- from personal experience, even, and a lot of worldly observation in the nation's capital -- to having years of scar tissue behind you to be able to remain unflappable in the face of unending, merciless observation.

Maybe it's possible that, all other things being equal, this particular selection has a toughness of her own. Maybe it's possible that she could learn fast enough, quick enough, to hit the ground running. But that miscalculation in her very first speech tells me that on some level, what she thinks she can provide -- and what she's expected to provide or is expected to fulfill -- are two different things, enough that I wouldn't be surprised if her confidence in measuring her role isn't shaken to some degree (and that degree then being compounded by the knowledge that every single news station in the country is potentially replaying the moment, over and over). A politician misjudging a crowd so thoroughly as to be strongly booed is a pretty bad misjudgment, when you think about it, and it'd shake anyone.

I don't know why this governor was selected over any other applicants, male or female. If it's to get the female vote, I find it offensive and insulting that the campaign-dogs assume voters would be just peachy with an inexperienced, currently-under-investigation, unproven junior politico from an often-ignored, less-populated, state purely because of gender. That's not good enough, not when there are so many experienced and powerful and impressive women on both sides of the partisan line. If it's to get the religious vote, again, it's still offensive and insulting because again, there are plenty of experienced and capable and proven politicos -- male and female -- who could fill the position and do it well: do these campaign-runners really believe that we're such dupes as to consider all candidates interchangeable so long as that single requirement is satisfied?

We're talking about a running mate who's not just running for VP but must also be considered as potential presidential material, given the main nominee would be the oldest-ever first-time president and has battled several cases of cancer. In that case, any wise choice is one that must doubly prove his/her abilities not just to serve as the veep but also the potential prez. Do I really want someone in that position who was chosen solely, or predominantly, on the basis of his/her gender? Or someone chosen solely, or predominantly, on the basis of his/her religious values? There are too many other excellent choices currently out there for me to accept that this would be all-or-nothing: the option does exist for me to be able to say, for anyone to say, that I could choose gender, religion, and experience -- with the certainty that given the circumstances of this particular election, experience should come first. Some kind of experience, on a national level.

So why choose someone unknown, unproven, and expose them to the dogs and risk such monumental failure -- unless you just didn't care? Unless all they're doing is keeping the spot warm, providing some kind of symbolic value? And if they get ripped apart in the process, humiliated or just plain ravaged by the constant unending unmerciless prying, so what?

Sorry, honey. Maybe you think you've managed to grab the brass ring and in doing so you're hauling yourself up to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the trailblazing women of our generation and those before us. But you're not, and you haven't. Nothing I see indicates that you are ready for it, not now. Maybe in ten years. Maybe in five. But not now, and the idealism, perhaps even some bit of arrogance, to believe that you could may be blinding you to the fact that what you think you're providing -- and the role you really fill -- are not at all the same.

Worse yet, the harder and farther you fall, the more you're going to be proof for every Tom, Dick and misogynist Harry who wants to argue that women shouldn't hold such roles. Are you ready for that? Are you truly ready? Do you really think you can learn fast enough to handle the international demands of the vice-presidency and hold up under the doubled pressure of being a woman in that position?

So, I would like to believe that this could be a moment in our history that changes so much. I would like to be less cynical. But I'm also old enough and seen enough that I can't deny the cynicism that asks: why pick this young woman, inexperienced, unknown, unproven? It seems like such a political ploy, a purely calculating move of identity politics, with no real care nor concern for what our wide-open, youtube-rampant, blog-heavy, fast-forward world will do in the process. It does nothing but make me pity this woman who's going to get it with both barrels... and it completely turns me off of the nominee who chose her -- and that's regardless of the fact that in this hypothetical situation that this hypothetical-McCain is one with whom I agree down the board.

The nail in the coffin? Look at the picture of the nominee and the veep pick: the older gentleman, a decade older than my own father, and the attractive young woman who could be my older sister, who could be the nominee's own daughter. Look at the massive disparity in their ages, in their experience, in their power, in their influence. Look at the contrast. Then look at the comment made by one of the nominee's own staff, shortly after the selection was announced:

"She’s going to learn national security at the foot of the master for the next four years," according to Charlie Black.

Am I the only one who finds that not just incredibly demeaning -- but also a truly disturbing visual?

Date: 1 Sep 2008 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tharain.livejournal.com
::heart heart heart::

And add to your list of women: Christie Todd Whitman.

Date: 1 Sep 2008 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
(heh, thanks)

See, that's exactly what I mean about the choices out there. I only listed the national-level politicos currently serving in an office, but there are plenty like Whitman who held public office before moving to other things. Experienced women (and men!) who could provide a good mesh, who bring something to the table, who have held their own, and (in the case of those who moved to the private sector) could also demonstrate being in touch with the "real world" the rest of us occupy, y'know, not 100% whole-life-of-public-office, if that's part of the requirements.

I'm not sure whether to look at this election with a bit of excitement at seeing the world change, or to knock myself in the head and hope that's enough to wake me up from this surreal two-step dreamscape of BizarroWorld.

Date: 1 Sep 2008 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fyretoppaaa.livejournal.com
I always come away from your entries feeling thoroughly educated. XD I'm still not up to speed on this election, but your arguments do make sense to me; we can never know for certain what candidate is best ahead of time, of course, but having more credentials isn't bad insurance. :/

I'll have to keep up better with things. ♥

Date: 1 Sep 2008 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
having more credentials isn't bad insurance

Agreed, and the fact is, it's pretty much always been of some import, and moreso in the past 100 years. The VP may appear to be just some guy hanging around sometimes breaking a tie in the Senate, but the position is an important one on a national and international level -- not to mention should be (I think, ideally) someone who balances out the Prez and rounds out the major opinions shaping any national decisions.

If the blather about the VP-choice is focused so strongly on delivering votes from a certain subset of the electorate -- and next to nothing about what s/he would deliver when in office -- that really disturbs me. It makes me wonder if the nominee is thinking, oh, I don't need a sounding board, I don't need someone to round me out. I just need someone to deliver those extra votes, and the rest? Eh, that doesn't matter.

But it does matter! Such an attitude is quietly saying the VP-choice isn't going to make a difference, won't pull any real weight. We wouldn't expect a student to really be able to contribute in partnership with a teacher, but neither would a wise choice be to create such partnership and expect the results you'd get from two powerful, experienced teachers working together. The student's going to lag. Question is, can we afford such a lag?

Makes me even more cynical, makes me feel like the VP-choice was plunked down on the ticket less for any real contribution and solely because she makes a good Vanna White to the party's gameshow host. I find that particularly offensive.

Date: 1 Sep 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
ext_840: john and rodney, paperwork (Default)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/tesserae_/
It makes me wonder if the nominee is thinking, oh, I don't need a sounding board, I don't need someone to round me out. I just need someone to deliver those extra votes, and the rest? Eh, that doesn't matter.

Well, to be honest, this was my *first* thought about this nomination. (disclosure: I loathe and despise everything McCain stands for, and I am predisposed to think the worst. Having said that...) She was picked to shore up his right wing, appeal to the mythical "disaffected Hillary voters" and counter the sidekick argument. Her qualifications, and anything she might have to add on her own account to the discourse, has *nothing* to do with it. It's tokenism, plain and simple, and far more about John McCain than the good of the country. And as you say, that's never a good start, and has the potential to make it more difficult for the next woman nominated to that office.

at the foot of the master

Plus, as someone said, now we're all thinking about John McCain's feet.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
*cough* remember, in this post, we are speaking of Hypothetical Nominee With Whom We Hypothetically Agree, right? (There are folks on my flist who stand on both sides of the partisan lines, and I'd rather not get into it. I'd prefer things remain at least superficially civil, please.)

I came across a political essayist -- and a conservative one, at that! -- remarking that this pick is like introducing the trophy wife into the den of suburban wives. The other men may think she's something hot, but the women are going to freaking hate her. And as much as I'd like to say that's not true of me, the fact is... it is. Well, not entirely. I don't hate her. I just don't have any respect for her. Mostly pity, actually.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 04:22 am (UTC)
ext_840: john and rodney, paperwork (Default)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/tesserae_/
Sorry. I wanted to make my biases clear & did so in terms that were too strong. My apologies...

I think you are absolutely right - whatever Sarah Palin's skills are, they are not what's being brought to the table.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
It's okay -- everyone gets a free pass the first time. ;-) I know full well that political stuff can bring out the going-on-gut, not always objective, sides of ourselves.

I guess I'm just reduced, for the most part, to sitting back and watching this entire electoral process slide into some kind of BizarroWorld. Well, when I'm not wincing at the messiness of what happens when you nominate a running mate and don't bother to fully vet the person. Surprises, anyone?

Date: 1 Sep 2008 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taithe.livejournal.com
The theory behind McCain's pick (at least in Alaska) seems to be that Palin is young and "fresh", hopefully providing McCain's campaign with new energy while being a relatively unknown player in the game. Some people I've talked to believe Palin's role is more for the evangelical vote than the female one, based on her ideological beliefs. It could be, but the fact is that Palin is an image of a young, enthusiastic, female politician shows that it is, in part, about gender.

Speaking of images, in my opinion, Palin has won her way through her image -- she's vibrant, young, and ready to reform our government! -- but I really hope that's not the case in this election. Her attitude and way of handling issues in Alaska is not going to work on a national stage. Either she learns quickly or she sinks. Unfortunately, I think it's the latter.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
young and "fresh", hopefully providing McCain's campaign with new energy while being a relatively unknown player in the game

Which can be a valuable point in its own right -- to some degree, I think Obama (like any other junior congressman/woman inserted here) carries that element as well. The problem is that unknown often equals untested, and it's the untested part that bothers me. Do I want an untested person, no matter how fresh & attractive, in the veep role? No. Not really. And especially not when the Prez-role may be taken by someone, let's face it, already quite elderly. That bothers me.

Her attitude and way of handling issues in Alaska is not going to work on a national stage.

Which is really the case, I think: she's not stood on the national stage. If she were one of the Republican junior senators or representatives, I probably would be less likely to see her as a trophy. To be honest.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogue53.livejournal.com
And when my *mother* tells me, I don't know how she thinks that she's going to survive the battle ahead, well, she's been doing the whole politics thing since she was small and living with her *grandparents* and great grandfather was a mover and shaker, one of the 'smokey backroom guys'... So... So many more qualified people, then why this one?

Set up to fail.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
And too, I should add, coming across like she's not really thought it out, which also frustrates me. Is she so starry-eyed that she thinks it doesn't matter that she doesn't have the qualifications of at least ten other women, or more, on the national stage? Or does she not even realize that she doesn't? Or does she actually think she does? I'm not sure which. Any way I cut it, I find it baffling, frustrating, and somewhat sad, too.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misshallelujah.livejournal.com
The one thing galls me the most is that McCain has built so much of his campaign against Obama by citing his youth and inexperience.

And then he goes and picks a running mate who's just as young and if anything even more inexperienced than Obama is.

It like saying, "Oh it doesn't really matter who she is as long as she's fresh and pretty and spices up the Republican ticket."

I'm not even an American woman voter and I'm digusted.

Thanks for the objectification, guys. Really. Seriously.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pixiepilot.livejournal.com
I have to admit I'm also puzzled why Obama would pick Biden as his running mate. His entire campaign has been based on Washington outsiders, reform and change - and Biden's pretty much the old white guy who's been in Washington for 35 years. I think both campaigns sort of undercut their platforms with their VP picks. Weird, huh?

Date: 2 Sep 2008 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
Actually, Biden makes sense as a running mate, in the same way that Cheney made sense for Bush, and even that Bush Sr made sense for Reagan. The VP isn't just the tiebreaker in the Senate; the VP is often the President's stand-in for foreign affairs, going out to deal with things when the President can't be in two places at once. So it makes sense that if you think you're not quite as strong in area A, that you find a VP who is strong in that area. If Obama's strong point is domestic (and it seems, to me, to be) and he could use bolstering in foreign policy, then there just isn't a Dem that can really rival Joe Biden -- regardless of whether or not Biden is long-time DC or not.

After all, the idea is that VP conforms to the presidential vision (much as Bush Sr did to Reagan's economic vision despite disagreeing with it strongly!), yet at the same time brings something to the table to make up for any lacks. There is no doubt that Biden brings two things to Obama's table: a strongly pro-union stance with historical working relationship with the unions, and a massive amount of foreign policy experience. That's all over the Dem talking points when Biden's selection was announced, and that's par for the course -- Reagan did the same when he announced he was picking Bush Sr, Clinton did it when picking Gore, Mondale did it picking Ferraro, etc., etc., and so on.

Which is why it would make sense to me that McCain -- having said that economics isn't his strong point -- might seek to round out his campaign by picking someone with strong economic expertise. Or maybe strong expertise in energy policy, there's another area he could probably use someone to bolster him, speaking objectively. But he didn't. He picked someone who, as far as I can tell, doesn't really contribute much but, uh, maybe photo-ops. It just doesn't strike me as a very wise choice, and worse still, it's a choice that seems like a boatload of fail.

(I should say even more to the point: I'm used to politicians taking the "this is my VP" announcement as a way to be a bit on the, hrm, humble side -- well, as humble as anyone can be considering they're going after the biggest and most important political position in the free world and I say that of any politician regardless of stripe. But still, traditionally, VP-pick is when you say, "this is where I'm not the strongest, but it's okay! look who I've picked! this person totally closes every last chink in the dam, no worries, folks!" Y'know?)

I guess what really bothers me is that -- and I 'spect you know this as well as I do, since that's how it so often works -- if Palin goes down, she'll be the one humiliated as she's racked over the national coals... not McCain. I doubt any firestorm will do much more than slightly singe him, at best, and I can't help seeing that as quite unfair. Probably not rational on my part, but still.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pixiepilot.livejournal.com
It's true that the VP choice should shore up any chinks in the dam, and Biden does make sense on those terms, but I wonder who else might have made sense without standing for Back Room Washington. I was really hoping for a Romney pick on McCain's side, since I think he has the economic know-how to really be a help fiscally.

Then again, McCain is a Back Room Washington icon, too. Maybe I can consider the running teams even since they both have one old schooler, and one unexperienced member each? I never have liked McCain or agreed with his politics, and I don't like him any more now. I also think it's a bit unfair to leave him unsinged if anything crashes and burns. And hey, when did rationality ever have anything to do with real politics? ^_^;

Date: 2 Sep 2008 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
You're right that McCain is definitely as old-school DC as Biden, so it would make sense to pick someone to round him out and possibly also have a leaning for reform, maybe someone younger with some go-to, and all the more strength if it'd been someone with strong economic skills. To be frank, that's pretty much what I'd been expecting as a pick -- it'd make so much sense. It's a reverse of Obama-Biden, but it's still as intelligent a sharing o' the skillz.

What gets me, I suppose, is that it's not like Palin's the only duck in the pond. I mean, if the requirement was a woman on the ticket to swing women voters, okay, I can understand that motivation... but then why insult those women voters by picking someone so unqualified, especially in light of the other incredibly qualified women in the party? Do McCain's handlers figure that hey, one woman, any woman, they're all interchangable, y'know. That's beyond insulting.

And like Tharain mentions above, there are also folks like Whitman (former gov of NJ) who may not currently hold office but have in the past and did a fine job of it, as well. Given the alternatives, in the shoes of any McCain-leaning voter, I'd much rather have a VP pick who is qualified and a contributing balancing round-out factor. Settling for less, expecting me to settle for less, just insults my intelligence as a voter.

(I should note that part of my reaction is also the discomfort I'd feel if I were to be someone defending the choice as a pro-nominee voter... while knowing the VP-pick is currently under investigation. I mean, hello!? Could we not, please? Because if I were to spend time defending the pick, feeling good about it, and then the VP-pick were found, bloody hell, guilty of ethics violations, I would be furious. I'd feel used. I'd feel like I'd done my best to be supportive of my preferred nominee and then got stomped on, and it was a preventable stomp-on, y'know? Pick someone not being investigated, please, fer crying out loud. Don't set up your constituency to look like morons if things go south! Cripes.)

Date: 2 Sep 2008 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maldoror-gw.livejournal.com
'Do I really want someone in that position who was chosen solely, or predominantly, on the basis of his/her gender? Or someone chosen solely, or predominantly, on the basis of his/her religious values? '

Yes, but in this case she was chosen for gender AND religion AND her looks. What else do you want? This ticket's loaded!

Thanks for articulating the sense of immediate distaste I felt when I read up on McCain/Palin, but was unable to really pin down...I don't know why McCain didn't choose Gondoleeza Rice, though. She's got experience, she's a woman, she's black - take that, Obama!- what can go wrong? (I presume the McCain running dogs asked her and she said 'No, *$% off, I have bigger ambitions that will mature around 2016 after people have forgotten what a balls-up the Republicans made of politics this decade, kthxbye')


We Canadians will almost certainly have an election this year (99.9% of US citizens do not know/care, but t'is true) and we will almost certainly not be breaking any glass ceilings :((( I envy you the excitement and the possibilities, though not the let-down. Our politics consist of the Conservatives trying to look moderate and interesting, and the Liberals standing back and letting the Conservatives talk and thus prove themselves to be a bunch of bigotted wingnuts. Then whoever Quebec backs this time becomes the new power in Government. I still prefer this system to the US one because it's much, much quieter and there's none of those scary attack advertisements that turn my stomach.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 04:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
Apparently Rice pissed off a lot of Repubs when she allowed as to how she respects Obama, especially when she allowed as to how his speech on race in America really moved her. Oh, right, because we couldn't possibly acknowledge that some things cross party lines. Sheesh, people.

Here's a political commentator's take on the situation that I found amusing... and kind of pathetic, too, for the objectified object in the midst of this:
Look at the numbers from the latest CNN poll. Only thirty-six percent of women view Sara Palin favorably... At thrity-six percent, she fails to impress even quite a few Republican women. Simply put, women do not like Sara Palin.

The trophy running mate (tm) is having pretty much the same effect on the electorate that a trophy wife typically has in your average ex-urban cul-de-sac. Palin is generating bulging enthusiasm among certain males, who, after oogling the unqualified Alaskan VP nominee on CNN as she shoots her gun with her tight sweater on, run to their keyboards and blog what their scrotums have told them, that Palin will be a major game changer. Suddenly, they have ceded to the power of imagery over policy and have fixated on the notion that Mrs Palin offers the McCain presidential ticket its much needed bounce.

Little did these prognosticators in their second pubescence realize that most hard-working women who struggle in a man's world, the ones who admired Hillary for her erudition and tenaciousness, were not going to transfer their support to an unprepared Linda Carter look-alike, just because CNN is touting with her marksmanship. The truth is that Palin offends women. She insults them. She reminds the normal struggling woman of the less qualified for whom they get passed-over for jobs on a day-to-day basis just because men prefer their ilk smiling at the reception desk, waiting at the restaurant table, beaming at meetings, or standing next to them in a presidential ticket so they can catch a peek. Women read her body language and understand it without succumbing to it. Women listen to her tall-tales about her last pregnancy and are calling out the bullshit. Most of all, they are telling themselves, this is no Hillary Clinton.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] windsorblue.livejournal.com
Women listen to her tall-tales about her last pregnancy and are calling out the bullshit.

A-freakin'-men. No one gets on a plane for eight hours after their water has broken two to three weeks early with a child they already know is going to have Down's Syndrome. Especially no one in their forties on kid number 5. Unless she can milk a coconut with her kegels, I call major bullshit on that one.

The little nugget of crazy that came out today that I personally love? She was a member of an Alaskan Independence Party. One that advocates Alaska secession. From the country she's now running to be Vice President of. Just thinking about it makes me kind of hysterical, on several levels.

Date: 3 Sep 2008 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maldoror-gw.livejournal.com
My name is Maldoror, running for Canadian premiere on the 'let's cut out the BS' party, and I endorse that article.

One interesting political commentary I heard on the radio on the way home with sick munchkin (currenly trying to type on my laptop as an alternative to swinging off chandeliers - sick, yeah, right) was that beyond intelligence, personality and concordant views, McCain desperately needed someone pro-life to whore his ticket out to the Fundamentalists. I can just imagine the reasoning. "She's pro-life so I get the Bible Belt nutzoids...but she's a chick, so I get the disillusioned Hillary contingent! Plus she's much more of a looker than either Clinton. They'll love her! This can't fail!" Except I'm hoping real hard that it does.

Date: 10 Sep 2008 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kraehe.livejournal.com
Yes, I'm insulted, too. Thanks for articulating this.

She's "Queen Bee" -- the woman who takes over the PTA and establishes her little clique solely to entrench herself in a position of power to benefit her own kids and the kids of the others in that clique. Oh, wait -- she did that? Yeah, she did. The $20M hockey rink/sports complex in a town that doesn't have a sewer system. Just... wow. The kind of women who like her and will vote for her are the women who are just like her -- the Stepford Bitches. There are enough of them out there. Perhaps fortunately, most of the SBs were already going to vote for McCain.

But as to why McCain chose her -- I think her inexperience was an asset here. He didn't want someone with enough experience to contradict him. He wanted someone he could mold, form. Reminds me of my college stalker; one of the big red flags about him was that he said he wanted to date a younger woman (he was about 30) because their opinions weren't so set and they could be guided. Ugh, no thanks, dude! Talk about a complete lack of respect.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 06:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] windsorblue.livejournal.com
Am I the only one who finds that statement nothing less than demeaning -- not to mention a truly disturbing visual?

Speaking of disturbing visuals, watch the video where McCain's standing right next to her as Palin's giving her little acceptance speech. Either he's nodding off, or he's checking out her ass.

As for what this choice says about McCain's decision-making capabilities - well, like I was saying to the beau: when Grandpa can't remember the kids' names and thinks Eisenhower is still president, you don't give him the car keys and ask him to run to the store for you.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
when Grandpa can't remember the kids' names and thinks Eisenhower is still president, you don't give him the car keys and ask him to run to the store for you.

*dies laughing*

omg I love you.

Ahem. Anyway.

I saw the bit where Palin's talking and McCain's watching, from her first announcement/introduction (where she's booed), and it reminded me of how my father looks when we're together and I'm talking to friends of his. It's something I guess you get used to as a daughter, and will accept from your father (if no one else): that kind of proud, "I did that" expression. Although I could just be ultra-sensitive to it, having seen it on my father's face enough over the years... but I don't know if McCain really has any other means to interact with a woman that much his junior, other than as father or husband. I dunno.

I guess what I twigged on the most was first, that the power dynamics were clearly waaaaay off-balance. And second, that he didn't leave the stage but continued to stand awfully close to her (or maybe that's just depth-of-field in the camera, but hey, it looked like he was close). At least Obama sat far over on the right after introducing Biden, and let Biden have center stage, so to speak -- which is pretty usual for such introductions. McCain didn't. He stayed real close by. Don't know exactly why I didn't like that, but I didn't.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teeheeiambad.livejournal.com
I was going to say you forgot Nancy Pelosi on your list, but you did mention her further down. She does hold one of most powerful positions in DC and, no matter who is elected, is still 3rd in line for the Presidency, which, is nothing to shake a stick at.

Palin's own 17 year old daughter is pregnant, unmarried and she still says she doesn't support sex education in schools. She's a fucking joke. I am wondering, how many of those stupid women who said they would vote for McCain over Obama, because they were so angry Clinton didn't get the nomination, will scurry back, after getting a look at Palin. I bet plenty.

That last statement...well...ewwww..is..yeah..eww..

Date: 2 Sep 2008 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
There are 250+ people reading this journal, and who knows how many hundreds more than that who read and talk on the various blogs I read, and I can't recall ever seeing someone say that they'd vote for McCain over Obama solely because they were pro-HRC. Okay, I've heard of some, but they seem to pop up only in certain blogs & places that feel an awful lot (to me) like those places you find the random flybys who show up long enough to tell you that you really really should go see this coming-soon-movie it's teh awesomest, and then they're gone again. Paid spokespeople, anyone?

I took the lists straight off Wiki's list of women in national-level political positions, so there's a fair chance it's not entirely accurate. That said, there are also plenty of women (as Tharain above mentioned) who are not currently holding political office but have significant years of experience who could also be considered, and probably would've been just as much a surprise to those not really paying attention -- and yet also would have come with a lot of credentials and a history with the media and a major track record.

McCain has his own track record of going for the trophy wife, but I'm willing to let that be his personal issue and not really my concern. It becomes my concern, though, when I get the sense that he's also using that trophy-wife-radar as the means to pick his VP. That's just not what I call intelligent criteria for a political decision. It can work in your private life, if that's what gets you up in the morning. That's not how good govt should work.

Date: 3 Sep 2008 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teeheeiambad.livejournal.com
Over on some Clinton support forums and even in the list servs for Dems Abroad, I saw women say they were changing their vote to McCain. To say I was stunned by that reaction, is putting it mildly. There was even a high profile Dems Aborad leader, in the UK who wrote an op/ed bit, about how she was changing her own vote to McCain.

I vote on issues first, the person themselves second. I don't get how people twist things up in their heads, to do it the other way around. I know they do it, but I don't get the logic.

Trophy wife, trophy VP pick...nice patern there John.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whispurr267.livejournal.com
My head was just spinning with this when I listened all day to the news of her appointment. CNN message boards were flooded with furious women. She is supposed to be on a par with Clinton?

Then I listened to the spin the Republicans were trying their best to put on this ridiculous appointment.

I listened today to Obama's response to the recently revealed 'scandal' concerning her daughter - KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS! Listened to him respond to the hurrican crisis - I DIDN'T GO BECAUSE BEING THERE WOULD DRAW RESOURCES AWAY FROM WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING. THIS IS NOT ABOUT A PHOTOSHOOT. And listened to him respond to the absolute absurdity that her experience is greater than his (go see his response online.) And just how many people are in the National Guard that she directs anyway? I would very much like that question answered. She is going to be chewed to pieces in any kind of national forum.

Obama is a classy guy. I would bet money that if one of his daughters was old enough and pregnant, the Republicans would have run a dozen negative commercials by now - just like the unbelievable ones they have been doing for weeks.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
...the Republicans would have run a dozen negative commercials by now - just like the unbelievable ones they have been doing for weeks.

Well, that's Rovian politics for you, and I place the blame for that squarely on Rove's shoulders. (And I will always find it somewhat intriguing on a personal-political level that Bush41 fired Rove, and it was Bush43 who rehired him and really gave him free reign in this modern political era. Once again I find myself thinking that if Bush43 had opted to re-run in 2000, instead of his son, we wouldn't be in half the hot water we're in.)

The entire National Guard thing just makes me shake my head. I mean, have people already forgotten how the Governor of LA -- when Katrina was tearing through New Orleans and ripping apart the levees -- had to beg, and I mean seriously beg, for the Feds to release the National Guard to come help with the disaster? Governors get no say in the National Guard; they're not debriefed, they're not in charge; it's a Federal entity and as such is managed by the Pentagon, not the state. To claim otherwise is not just ingenuous, it's also false.

Although the whole "Alaska is next to Russia so that means she knows about international politics" cracks me up. If only Howard Dean had known he could've argued he's all about the foreign policy, being right up next to Canada! Sheesh!

Date: 10 Sep 2008 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kraehe.livejournal.com
About Bush 41 -- yes, exactly. I voted for Bush Sr. (being a good little conservative at the time), and while he didn't exactly do enough to reassure people during the recession of the early 90s, he was a damned sight better than his son.

I think the concept of public service is dead on the Right.

Date: 10 Sep 2008 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kraehe.livejournal.com
I should clarify -- I voted for Bush Sr. in 1988, the first election I was eligible to vote in.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 03:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] buymeaclue.livejournal.com
Fascinating; thank you. I've mostly been trying to avoid posts about this election because they make me want to hurt people, but this was really thoughtful and well-articulated whether I agree with it or not. (I do and I don't. I'm so, so honored to be living in a time where these things are possible, but ever since the Obama/Clinton battle began, I've had this nagging, "Don't fuck up, guys," dread in the back of my mind.)

Date: 2 Sep 2008 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
You're welcome, and thank you.

Fortunately, so far it looks like most folks replying (and there are Rs, Ds, and Is on this thread already) get that my intention wasn't to address political positions overall. That in fact whether you agree with the individual political positions can be considered irrelevant in the course of measuring credentials as being adequate -- or inadequate.

The more I read/hear from conservative male bloggers lauding Palin with a cheery emphasis on how cute she looks in that tight sweater, though, the more I realize: we may've come a long way, baby, but we've still got an equally long road ahead of us.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] achiasa.livejournal.com
As far as I can see, the choice is nothing to do with suitability for the role and everything to do with politics. It's all about electability, and in Palin you see what an elderly conservative white male thinks of as a vote-winner. There's some truth in it, too, because looks bring out the male voters, and combined with a high profile and some spin will appeal to the celebrity-obsessed.

I may be slightly jaded by the fact that we have something of an opposite situation going on right now. We have a PM who is a solid, sensible, non-risk-taking guy with ten years' experience as Chancellor - who you would think is just the guy to be running the country in the current world economic situation. And yet he's under attack by his own party because he's not pretty or high-profile or celebrity enough to be a vote-winner, and the media have scented blood and are forecasting his doom to the point that his actual ability and performance are entirely irrelevant.

Date: 3 Sep 2008 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
As far as I can see, the choice is nothing to do with suitability for the role and everything to do with politics.

Right as I read this, I just finished catching up on the latest news, including a bulletin from the McCain camp about how this election isn't about the issues but about the kind of person Americans want leading them. (Something like that; I paraphrase roughly.) My response? Uhm, well, can't I have both? Sheesh.

Date: 2 Sep 2008 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leorising1959.livejournal.com
A thoughtful and interesting post, to which I have nothing but trivia to add:

During Palin's acceptance speech, did you see Grampy McCain? He had a target lock on Palin's ass.

Also, don't forget Lizzy Dole (R)!

Also again, I thought Olympia Snowe was a dancer in a titty bar here in Portland!

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their Party.

^_^

Date: 3 Sep 2008 06:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
Yep, Elizabeth Dole should be in the list; I'm pretty sure I saw her name when I was compiling the list of congresscritters. Thing is, there are so many potential, and this particular pick just seems... random. Not to mention completely unvetted, and I'm still baffled by the absolute lack of interviews with the press. The latest is that there'll be no interviews so long as the press is "combative". Say what?

Date: 10 Sep 2008 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kraehe.livejournal.com
The press is dead. They have rolled over and given up the ghost. GE is in bed with the military estabilishment; Murdoch is a rabid right-winger; and Disney and Viacom don't care for anything but ratings -- so real political analysis doesn't get aired.

Can our democracy survive without a functioning press?
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From: [identity profile] christeos-pir.livejournal.com
I haven't scrolled through all the responses, so bear with me if this has been noted above, but it occurs to me that it's not only a tremendous insult to all those women with experience and track records, that you mentioned above, but also to the office, and to the American people. This, it says to me, how little McCain gives a shit about the running of the country.

Date: 3 Sep 2008 06:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaigou.livejournal.com
Not partisan at all. I think it's an accurate observation.

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