capitalization style question
21 Sep 2014 09:44 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
kaigouThis summer I attended a writing retreat, and the critique I got back from the instructor made a number of corrections in capitalization. I was kinda like, hunh? because no one else has ever noted an issue with the same, until nagasvoice's comment in another post.
(I don't recall ever being taught the rules of punctuation/grammer/capitalizing in school -- fiction-writing wasn't ever a major focus, as I recall -- so I've mostly gone by what I read in books, and using that style. I guess you could say osmosis and a bit of logical guesswork taught me things like that punctuation goes inside the quotes (at least in US-based publications), etc.)
Normally, I'd write a sentence with dialogue like this.
"Hello," they said.
The entire sentence is hello-they-said. First word is 'hello', so it's capitalized. Since 'they' is not the first word and not a proper-name, it's not capitalized. Thus, it made sense to me that when the order is rearranged, the capitalizing is also rearranged:
They said, "hello."
I'm pretty sure this is a pattern I've read plenty, 'cause I had to have gotten the impression from somewhere that this is alright. It's also why/how I learned that when you've got a tag in the middle, capitalizing is still applied as an overall:
"Yesterday," she said, "it was sunny."
First, 'yesterday' is the first word. Second, the actual sentence -- 'yesterday it was sunny' is an entire sentence and the tag 'she said' is just inserted. Similar to the way if I had [ed: hi there] in the middle, it inserts, not halts the sentence and forces a new one. It's like a paren.
In my mind, if I've got a sentence like the following:
"Yesterday it was sunny," she said. "We napped."
...then the "we" gets capitalized because it's a new sentence; if it hadn't been, then it'd be a comma after 'said', not a period, and there'd need to be some kind of a tag -- ie, 'and', 'but', etc -- before 'we' to indicate there was more to the first sentence.
I'm not sure whether this is a house-style thing or just something I've completely misread/ignored all these years.
Anyone?
(I don't recall ever being taught the rules of punctuation/grammer/capitalizing in school -- fiction-writing wasn't ever a major focus, as I recall -- so I've mostly gone by what I read in books, and using that style. I guess you could say osmosis and a bit of logical guesswork taught me things like that punctuation goes inside the quotes (at least in US-based publications), etc.)
Normally, I'd write a sentence with dialogue like this.
"Hello," they said.
The entire sentence is hello-they-said. First word is 'hello', so it's capitalized. Since 'they' is not the first word and not a proper-name, it's not capitalized. Thus, it made sense to me that when the order is rearranged, the capitalizing is also rearranged:
They said, "hello."
I'm pretty sure this is a pattern I've read plenty, 'cause I had to have gotten the impression from somewhere that this is alright. It's also why/how I learned that when you've got a tag in the middle, capitalizing is still applied as an overall:
"Yesterday," she said, "it was sunny."
First, 'yesterday' is the first word. Second, the actual sentence -- 'yesterday it was sunny' is an entire sentence and the tag 'she said' is just inserted. Similar to the way if I had [ed: hi there] in the middle, it inserts, not halts the sentence and forces a new one. It's like a paren.
In my mind, if I've got a sentence like the following:
"Yesterday it was sunny," she said. "We napped."
...then the "we" gets capitalized because it's a new sentence; if it hadn't been, then it'd be a comma after 'said', not a period, and there'd need to be some kind of a tag -- ie, 'and', 'but', etc -- before 'we' to indicate there was more to the first sentence.
I'm not sure whether this is a house-style thing or just something I've completely misread/ignored all these years.
Anyone?
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Date: 21 Sep 2014 07:52 pm (UTC)In all the Canadian style guides I've seen, the abbreviation for versus is the same whether it's the Supreme Court or Small Claims Court ... and whether the case cited is from Canada or from somewhere else. The trend has been to simpify citations -- in theory to make it easier for individuals who are self-representing to find caselaw and to cite it correctly. When I went to law school in the late 90's we were told that the style had just gone from vs. to v., and in a citation where the parties' names were in italic, the v. was to be plain. Next step was to make everything italic, and then most recently to drop the period.
And, yes, writing and editing nerd wars are as bloody as any other kind. Perhaps even more so, as we've been arguing over things like the Oxford comma for a lot longer than anyone's argued Mac/PC or Ninja/Pirate.