oh, ethnographers
22 Feb 2011 09:07 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
kaigouTalking just now with CP on a paper idea of his, and (as we frequently do) we ended up tangenting along until we ended up on a discussion of whether there are/were significant non-named/generic non-human critters in folklore from any of the African countries.
When I was researching for stories of my own, one thing that bothered me to no end was the overwhelming amount of material available on European (especially British and North European) folklore creatures... and the absolute dearth on just about anywhere else other than maybe Japan and Russia (and a smattering from India). Elsewhere, sure, you could find plenty of stories about named characters -- i.e. Anansi, Coyote, Baba Yaga -- where there's an entire body of legends about the character's exploits. But those legends also presuppose that there's only one, even if that one shows up everywhere at any time. What I was looking for was generics or categories, like the Indian naga, or the Korean gumiho, or the Welsh redcap, and having no luck.
A few times, in articles from/about -- I think it was Mozambique, South Africa, and... I want to say one of the western coastal countries, but I don't think it was Cote D'Ivoire proper -- there would be random passing reference. Then the interveiwee (or translating author/ethnographer) would keep going, into some story of another named legend. No, no, back up, I wanted to say, but it was clear that someone -- whether the interviewee, or the interviewer -- didn't consider these incidental unnamed category-creatures to be worth more explanation.
This is entirely my speculation, but it's possible that it's the ethnographer only wanting a 'body' of stories, instead of snippets here and there -- little stories, if you will. And it's also possible that it's the interviewee (as CP suggested) not wanting to seem too backwards, so preferring to tell legend-type stories, where there's a running narrative. Instead of, y'know, talking about the bogeyman.
But I wonder if it's also possible that in telling the little stories, that there's a self-censorship at play because of the self-consciousness of the telling. Like, for instance, choosing not to repeat the stories of Santa Claus, because you stopped being fooled by that story when you were eight -- even if ten minutes after the interviewer leaves, you're reprimanding your own children about the fact that if they don't behave, Santa will leave coals in their stockings.
Besides, it's my firm belief that if there's one universal aspect to parenting, it's that all parents have a bogeyman at their command. And if you don't behave, that bogeyman -- whatever his or her name, age, rank, appearance, or living quarters -- will come get you.
Or maybe it's just that bogeymen are universal.
ETA: If you do know of beastiary [yokaiography, demonography, list-of-nonhumans, etc] books that recount the folklore of 'generic' (unnamed) non-human types, from cultures other than EU/CEE (which I already have in spades), please do tell.
When I was researching for stories of my own, one thing that bothered me to no end was the overwhelming amount of material available on European (especially British and North European) folklore creatures... and the absolute dearth on just about anywhere else other than maybe Japan and Russia (and a smattering from India). Elsewhere, sure, you could find plenty of stories about named characters -- i.e. Anansi, Coyote, Baba Yaga -- where there's an entire body of legends about the character's exploits. But those legends also presuppose that there's only one, even if that one shows up everywhere at any time. What I was looking for was generics or categories, like the Indian naga, or the Korean gumiho, or the Welsh redcap, and having no luck.
A few times, in articles from/about -- I think it was Mozambique, South Africa, and... I want to say one of the western coastal countries, but I don't think it was Cote D'Ivoire proper -- there would be random passing reference. Then the interveiwee (or translating author/ethnographer) would keep going, into some story of another named legend. No, no, back up, I wanted to say, but it was clear that someone -- whether the interviewee, or the interviewer -- didn't consider these incidental unnamed category-creatures to be worth more explanation.
This is entirely my speculation, but it's possible that it's the ethnographer only wanting a 'body' of stories, instead of snippets here and there -- little stories, if you will. And it's also possible that it's the interviewee (as CP suggested) not wanting to seem too backwards, so preferring to tell legend-type stories, where there's a running narrative. Instead of, y'know, talking about the bogeyman.
But I wonder if it's also possible that in telling the little stories, that there's a self-censorship at play because of the self-consciousness of the telling. Like, for instance, choosing not to repeat the stories of Santa Claus, because you stopped being fooled by that story when you were eight -- even if ten minutes after the interviewer leaves, you're reprimanding your own children about the fact that if they don't behave, Santa will leave coals in their stockings.
Besides, it's my firm belief that if there's one universal aspect to parenting, it's that all parents have a bogeyman at their command. And if you don't behave, that bogeyman -- whatever his or her name, age, rank, appearance, or living quarters -- will come get you.
Or maybe it's just that bogeymen are universal.
ETA: If you do know of beastiary [yokaiography, demonography, list-of-nonhumans, etc] books that recount the folklore of 'generic' (unnamed) non-human types, from cultures other than EU/CEE (which I already have in spades), please do tell.
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Date: 25 Feb 2011 03:57 am (UTC)- samodiva / samovila - good wiki article in English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samodiva
- karakonjul - there is a wiki article in Bulgarian only [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Караконджул]. A quick translation would be: this is a creature from folklore, it scares and harms humans; the creature looks like a hairy human with a big head, horns, tail, one eye, and one leg; according to different beliefs, it looked like half human, half horse, and also took on the forms of a naked small man, a dog, a calf, or a kid (goat offspring); according to some tales, the karakonjul lived only during the so-called 'dirty' days, from Christmas Eve to the Day of St. Yordan, which is why January is called the month of the karakonjul; the creature lived in caves, rivers, abandoned watermills, and places where ivy grows; according to some stories, it can also inhabit the dark or not easily accessible places of the farm, similar to a talasum, e.g. in the attic or the barn; the creature lured travelers and rode on them, threw its victims from high rocks or trees into deep water, or tore them into pieces with mill stones; the karakonjul did evil deeds only at night, until the first sound from cocks in the morning, after that it disappeared; it is noted that only the prefix of the word, kara-, is Turkish and means black; in many villages of the Rhodope mountains, the word is only konjur; the 'konjur' days are linked to a series of beliefs that likely are a remainder from Thracian times.
If you haven't come across 'talasum' before, there is a rather long article on it, too, that I could work on [Таласъм].
[Please excuse anything that doesn't make sense or is not natural-sounding in English.^^;]
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Date: 25 Feb 2011 04:05 am (UTC)I recognize the name 'samodiva' but not the other two, which makes me think that perhaps only the most common or maybe better-known got listed. And having enough info to do a critter justice, AND the critter not be yet another critter of the British Isles -- that would be awesome!
Also, thank you for the info on the Karakonjul/konjur. It sounds similar to the kind of critter found in many places, but the "tearing into pieces with mill stones" is one I've not seen before. Very cool. (Well, in a morbid kind of way, I suppose... ehehe.)
Thank you!