Okay, so Ed is facing down Truth, and we get this dialogue (from the manga, but I got the impression the anime followed it pretty closely, so any variation may just be translator word choice):
Truth: The gate of Truth lies within every human being. Thus, it is also the potential of those human beings to use alchemy. ...Will you sacrifice the power to use alchemy and simply become an ordinary human being?
Edward: I've always been an ordinary human. A little man who couldn't even save a girl they turned into a chimera. Someone who caught a glimpse of the "truth", and started over-relying on its gift only to fail again and again. ...It's all been one long dance.
Truth: Are you sure you're alright with losing this?
Edward: I don't need alchemy as long as I've got my friends.
What goes by pretty fast is that where Truth seems to mean "ordinary human being" as "one who cannot do alchemy," Edward purposefully misinterprets the phrase to mean "someone who is limited by human failings".
But here's the thing that's been bothering me. If you deconstruct Truth's explanation, it seems to operate like this: that the gate of Truth represents a potential for alchemy that exists in every human.
Therefore, the definition of "ordinary human being" includes "potential for alchemy".
And that, in turn, means that losing the power/potential is to become less than an ordinary human being. It'd be like losing the power of speech, or some basic brain function, or maybe the ability to feel compassion or pain or heat. Something we consider integral to the state of 'being' human. Sacrificing that is not becoming 'ordinary' but extraordinary by dint of lacking something that all humans possess (even if they don't use it or aren't aware of it).
I've been racking my brains for where/when I read this in the manga, but I could've sworn it's in there, and that I used it as the basis (as probably did plenty others) in fic dialogue. Someone asks Edward, "how do you do this?" or "is alchemy hard?" or "can anyone do this?" I honestly can't recall where it’s discussed in the story, but I'm positive there's a canonical (manga-based) discussion in which Edward comments that the key to successful alchemy is a lot of studying and a lot of hard work. I believe he (or Alphonse) also warns that doing it wrong will cause a rebound/backlash.
Hmm, maybe it's early in the storyline, in the first volume. I think it might be when the brothers are discussing alchemy with the folks in Liore.
The story has consistently emphasized that alchemists are scholars as well as scientists; we see the brothers buried in books almost as much as we see them talking to people. I never got the impression that Edward and/or Alphonse are necessarily phenomenal alchemists above all else, though they are clearly prodigies for beginning their studies at a precociously young age. Not only does the story mention several times that Roy is considerably more powerful, not just in terms of his specialization but also in terms of the skill and accuracy with which he wields it -- the flashback shows Roy himself expecting to find a "talented" alchemist in his early thirties. That is, Roy does not appear to see this age as "too old to be considered talented" but actually a very realistic age for someone to reach a skill level high enough to get noticed. (I guess that would mean Roy himself is a bit of a prodigy, seeing how he was what, maybe in his early 20s when he headed off to Ishval?)
All that is why I've understood Arakawa to be saying that her version of alchemy is as much a potential for any human as, say, understanding advanced biophysics or aeronautical engineering or deep-sea mechanical systems. It's a potential, sure, but one that requires nearly a lifetime's dedication to mastering the complex and delicate near-encyclopedic knowledge one would need to really capitalize on that potential. If that analogy is too intimidating, maybe we could consider it akin to being multilingual: having language in the first place means one has the potential for learning a second, but that doesn’t mean everyone is willing to put in the effort to do so, let alone to become as fluent as the top alchemists.
But then we’re back to the problem that classifying any "ordinary human being" as "one who does not (or cannot) do alchemy" contradicts the story's apparent assumptions about alchemy. Either we go with the previous 107 chapters... or we accept Truth's ninth-inning proclamation that "ordinary" humans can't do alchemy.
I mean, honestly: Scar's capable of using at least partial alchemy simply because of a freaking tattoo. If that doesn't qualify as "anyone can do it, given the time and chance," I don't know what does.
Truth's position only works if we take Edward’s response as fully flippant, that he’s aware he was never a truly “ordinary” human, and his redirection of the term is meant to draw attention to the fact that his super-human element was still bounded by human flaws. Still, the notion that alchemists are somehow 'more special' to be able to wield alchemical powers seems to also contradict Arakawa's perspective throughout the story.
For instance, the way she treats the alchemists when it comes to warfare: that the populace sees them as monsters (for apparently so easily massacring, etc)... but I can't recall any point where a civilian or non-war-going alchemist is treated/called a monster solely for being an alchemist. Only the 'dogs of the military' (as Edward points out in manga and both anime series, I'm pretty sure) are considered monsters, because they distort the belief that alchemy (read: science) is for the good of the people; they alone turn it on the people as a destructive art. Those who perpetrate such use are bad, but the art of alchemy in and of itself is neutral.
(Bloody hell, is there any Japanese anime that doesn't end up referencing the atom bomb? Granted, Arakawa is a little more subtle than most, but ultimately she could also be read as running a contrast between science-as-good versus military/govt distortions of science for military/murderous ends. Is nuclear power beneficial for lighting our cities or is it evil for being used to destroy so many lives during wartime?)
If the populace opinion/perspective were that alchemy/science taints all who use it, then we should’ve seen at least some instance of popular prejudice or dislike. If the average (ordinary?) person considered alchemy evil, the practice would likely be taboo or near-taboo, but I can't recall a single incident or even throwaway crowd-line that implies such. The only overt anti-alchemy position is the Ishval position that condemns alchemy -- noticeably on the grounds that it violates Ishval religion. That still doesn't define alchemy's inherent value; it's used more as contrast that Ishval has an anti-scientific streak in its belief system (compared to Amestris, that is).
So we're back to the original point: can "ordinary" human beings do alchemy? And if so, what does it really mean to "lose" the gate? Is the gate a connection to alchemy itself – the practice or knowledge of the science/art -- or something broader?
The interpretation through the series (by Edward, Alphonse, and Izumi) is that one sees the "truth" and this opens one's eyes to the greater possibilities within oneself. Most pointedly, crossing the gate means one no longer needs to ‘rely’ on an array; the array appears to be a stand-in for one’s conception of the (encompassing-circle) of the universe. Once the alchemist has internalised this conception, the array can be created or exists within the alchemist. I don’t think it’s purely for artistic reasons that this arrayless style is enacted by clapping the hands together – that position is creating a circle of the arms and the torso, after all. In other words, one could say the alchemist becomes the array.
If the array represents one’s connection to the universe, then becoming the array fits what we’d expect from someone who’s internalized the "truth" -- when it’s defined as Truth does when he rattles off all the things he could be called.
I am what you call "the World". I am "space". I am "god". I am the "truth" . I am the "all". I am the "one". And I am "You".
(Another discrepancy between the manga and the anime: in the manga, he says as above; in the anime, Truth says "Perhaps I am" or "You may call me" as though implying that the prefacing definitions are illusory or not the entire, err, truth, compared to the final declaration.)
I don’t know what the original Japanese version is, but there must be an emphatic verb-use in there somewhere, because the scanlation group very specifically bolded the “am” in the first declaration. It’s shades of the Judeo-christian self-definition of god: “I am the great I AM”, which is echoed in the Cartesian “...therefore I am” thesis. I don’t think that’s accidental or artistic on Arakawa’s part, seeing how even pre-gate she has the brothers (as well as Izumi) recognizing that “one is all, and all is one”.
For that matter, if we reach back to the chapters where the brothers first glimpse alchemy’s underlying meanings – and keep in mind, they were already practicing alchemy on a basic level prior to meeting Izumi – then Truth’s later declaration takes on greater power as a literary echo.
Izumi: Tell me, what does “One is All, All is One” mean?
Alphonse: “All” is the world.
Edward: “One” is me.
As above, so below, the macrocosm reflects the microcosm, and so on. Big but fundamental concepts of historical alchemy as much as Arakawa’s fictional version.
So a few chapters later (ch23, actually) when Edward goes through the gate, we get the same fundamental conversation that we later see between Truth and the Dwarf-in-the-flask:
Edward: Who are you?
Truth: Ah! Thanks for asking! I’m what you humans refer to as the world. Also known as the “Universe” or “true knowledge” or “all” or “one”. And.. I’m you!
Like Truth’s retaliation upon the homunculus, Truth then opens the gate (or stands by as it opens) to swallow Edward up with the force of all the knowledge the gate either holds, or holds back. But I think the sequence is important here: Ed meets Truth, is told of this equivalence (world = individual), and there doesn't appear to be a passage fee for that much knowledge, which is really nothing more than confirmation of what Edward's already learned as an alchemist. But this prefaces the gate opening, and it's that knowledge, being transferred, that then must be paid for. (Or so it seems to me, based on the order of things.)
What's worse is that if we presume that "gate" and its attendant awareness-of-Truth is a link to the godhead/all, wouldn't destruction of the gate not render one an "ordinary human being" but in fact someone cut off, quite literally, from the universe? All these things Truth claims to be -- god, one, all, world, universe/space, truth, even the alchemist's own person -- means that disconnection would be a kind of suicide? If not on an immediate physical level, certainly on an emotional, psychological, maybe psychic level?
(Ultimately, the story is massively gnostic, right down to the demiurge finally being overthrown by Sofia, but I suppose that's a post for another day.)
Take all that, and therein lies the reset: if Edward's destruction of his personal gate is not, in fact, a sudden and abrupt dislocation from the universal energies that compose some part of being human, but in fact reduces him to being "ordinary" -- and that he did not become an alchemist because of some inborn trait or brainwave pattern or special snowflakeyness -- and that alchemy, as a science, is knowledge-based and learnable -- then there is nothing that says he cannot eventually do alchemy again.
This theory isn't tested, either, in the manga, at least -- we see him clapping his hands and trying a bit of alchemy on the house roof... and then laughing when it doesn't work. "Nothing," he says. "If I could still use alchemy, this whole thing would've been fixed in a second."
Except that all other alchemists -- with the exception of Izumi, Alphonse (and now Roy) -- have always been shown with some kind of array. On gloves, on wristlets, tattoo'd on their palms, drawn in chalk or etched in stone -- hell, even Mei used a basic array of some sort in her eastern-version of alchemy. The fact that Edward can no longer use the seen-the-truth version of arrayless alchemy does not answer whether he can use alchemy at all.
For that matter, there's nothing that indicates definitively whether this alchemy-full-stop is applicable to everyone, and I admit when I first read the manga's final chapter, I was left with that impression: that Edward's destruction of the gate was in fact a removal for all humans. The anime's version (or just the translation) makes this a little clearer, that it's only Edward. Yet it’s noticeable to me that she didn’t answer this by having Alphonse get up on the roof and have him do the seen-the-gate arrayless version of alchemy... instead, she implies but doesn’t actually show, definitively, the state of things post-finale.
If, perhaps, Arakawa had had Edward chalk out a simple array and attempt that, then these questions would've been answered... but I suspect she avoided that because she'd put herself in a bind. If Edward can't do any alchemy at all, then it contradicts the apparent gist of the story's existing implications, that anyone could do it but only a few (or if you're military, a lot more than just a few) are willing to take the time to learn. If, however, Edward can do alchemy (even the basic arrayed version), then it contradicts Truth's argument -- and it reduces Edward's destruction of his personal gate/connection to a meaningless sacrifice.
That, I think, is why she doesn't answer it. Providing any definitive answer would make really obvious this gaping jump in the logic, created when Edward (and Arakawa) slammed up against the story's repeated insistence that the final resolution could come without additional sacrifice of life. There had to be a 'third option' that could resolve without compromising on that one crucial point. Arakawa does get points for not making that option a technicality, like if the brothers had used Hohenheim's long-held philosophers' stone/souls -- even if those stone/souls had been quite willing to make the (admittedly empty, seeing how it's been several hundred or more years since their bodies rotted away) sacrifice. But I can see how that could be considered evading on a technicality; it's observing the spirit but not the letter, and Edward is nothing if not letter as much as spirit, in a number of ways.
Someone mentioned in side-comment the other day that FMA isn't nearly as broken as some other stories, and the result is that there aren't as many places for fanfic writers and readers to slide in enough to force wider gaps for additional fan-created stories. For the most part, I'd say that's been true... but the finale threw in a full stop on that.
When you consider the finale's consequences, the cost of the sacrifice, and the pivotal assumptions in that showdown, many of the questions raised get to what may be the heart of the series. Who can do alchemy? If alchemy is a route to understanding/embracing one's own godhood, do all humans have such godhead potential as a state of being human? Is alchemy an innate art -- only some could be god -- or a state any/all humans could reach with time and exposure -- all could be god?
Also: is a connection to the universe superfluous or crucial for human existence as part of the whole? If all humans have a gate, however unaware, what does this mean to be the one person who does not? Wouldn't that, by definition, be anything but 'ordinary'? What impact would it have on life, mortality, aging, or even ability to fall in love, be compassionate, feel oneself to be part of a larger scope or world or universe or truth or existence?
If all is One and One is all, what does it mean that Edward may now be the only person who is not part of that All? Or was his sacrifice ultimately no sacrifice at all? Was the price he paid only what he'd paid in the past, and the final installment paid nothing more than fancy footwork and some dramatic CGI? What, exactly, did he lose in the long run, compared to what Alphonse regained?
Anyway, all that boils down to a set of contradictions that I can't resolve. It just muddies it all further if you look at the sequence Arakawa uses when it comes to the gate: human uses alchemy in human/taboo transmutation, has basic alchemical stats validated (the "I am YOU" section), and then is swallowed by the gate and spit back out after having "massive amounts of information crammed into the head". So that gate-crossing level is an advancement from 'ordinary alchemy' (the basic knowledge)... but what does it mean to lose that advanced knowledge? If crossing the gate means a recognition of one's place in and of the world, what does it mean to have that and lose it?
That's what I mean by reset button: if sacrificing one's connection/gate does nothing more than set one back to zero, just what did Edward sacrifice after all, given how much he gained in comparison? It's like having someone hand you a vicious weapon, say, and you use it X number of times and then hand it back, no harm, no foul. It's even presented that Edward chooses to retain his automail leg as a reminder, as though this particular sacrifice was not in fact a sacrifice but a willful atonement. And at the end, he even speaks of reconstructing and revising alchemical laws into something new -- so it doesn't seem reasonable to think he's "lost" his awareness of, or basic understanding of, alchemy, not if he plans to continue stuyding it. So what, exactly, did he sacrifice, and what (if any) are the long-term consequences?
Maybe there weren't a lot of gaps in the course of the overall FMA storyline... but I can sure see a whole lotta possibilities for fanfic when it comes to grappling with the consequences of questions Arakawa left unanswered.
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Date: 13 Jul 2010 04:50 pm (UTC)I'm not sure how literally Arakawa-sensei meant for us to take the whole "destroy the Gates" thing; it could be that it just doesn't hold up under it's own internal logic. That being said, as far as I can see, in the end alchemy in Ed's world is tantamount to magic. Yes, Arakawa-sensei dresses it up in science and intellectual pursuit, but in the end, you've got to have the wizarding gene, the talent, or the drive (as you noted) to get the Gates open, and to access the magic. I think there's a certain amount of reference to "talent" and being a prodigy in the series to back up my claim, but I'm not prepared to go into lengthy analytical detail to prove it, I guess.
When Ed destroys his Gates, he is not losing his magic/divinity per se, just his ability to access it and use it. In that way, he becomes much more like an "ordinary human", one who does not have the birth factor or talent or drive or whatever to open their own Gates in the first place.
That's my opinion.
I do have a question about the last few episodes that perhaps you could explain to me, however, since it's obvious thinking deeply about the series is not entirely onerous for you. When Ed is battling Pride, he somehow turns himself into a philosopher's stone in order to finally reduce Pride to his essential homunculus form. Um, how, exactly? Does he just will it to happen, no array or anything, kind of like how Father is doing it at the end?
And if so, does his body stay a philosopher's stone, like Hohenheim's, but with only his own soul bound and concentrated into it? I know that when Father is finally being defeated and Ed is pinned in the rubble, Father comes toward him groaning, "Philosopher's stone, I need it..." Does that mean he sees that Ed is a PS now, or that he'll just use Ed's essence to turn him into one? If Ed is a philosopher's stone now, doesn't that make him a target for others? (There's some fic possibilities, right there...)
This has confused me utterly, and I don't know if Arakawa meant that it be looked at too carefully. If you can explain any bit of it, though, I'd be grateful! Thank you. :D
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Date: 13 Jul 2010 05:59 pm (UTC)"Alchemists are scientists, so we can't believe in vague things like the 'Creator' and 'God'. We explain the fundamentals of the creation of everything in the world and pursue the truth. It's ironic that as scientists that don't believe in god, we're the ones who are closest to god."
...and that makes a lot of sense in light of the gate/truth dialogue: that the ultimate of alchemy is to achieve (or become aware of) a kind of godhood.
Regardless, it seems to me that to posit alchemy as a type of magic is to effectively gut the entire story: it shifts everything from the idea of cold, hard, realistic facts based on empirical knowledge and into the realm of "only special people can do this" and "you must have this kind of mark on your forehead" or "you must have this bloodline" or whatever. And it also brings in the implication that achieving alchemical reactions is based on belief or faith... and Edward does repeat over and over that faith and belief have little to do with it. So I suppose you could argue it's all magic, but then that puts Edward himself in the position of being not just an unreliable narrator (about his own art) but also seriously deluded about what and how his art works.
As for the philosopher's stone... I saw that as the culmination of understanding what powers the stones. I don't think it's accurate to translate as 'soul', since in practical application it seems to be more 'consciousness' or 'self-awareness' -- recalling that as the stone retracted, everyone 'woke up'. They didn't come back to life, they regained consciousness. (Also, this is my reasoning for how Alphonse can be aware/active in the real world as soul-bound, but still interact with 'himself' beyond the gate: because what's left behind in the gate is actually his deeper sub/un conscious side... which may also be the reason why armor-Alphonse does not dream: that activity is one powered by the subconcious parts of ourselves, not our conscious mind.)
So in effect, when Edward 'makes himself' the philosopher's stone, all he's doing is using his own self-awareness, his consciousness, to power the alchemical reaction. If the external/drawn array is what makes it possible to open the gate (and thereby sacrifice to gain/use another's life/awareness to achieve an end) -- and the alchemist who's seen Truth has internalized arrays and now operates arrayless -- wouldn't it therefore make sense that one could also internalize an array that opens the gate? By putting one's own consciousness/self-awareness on the line, you're really doing the same thing as the basic philosopher-stone creation: setting up array (externally or internally), placing out the sacrifices (others, or self), and powering up.
In other words, like the original/historical alchemy, the truth is that everyone is already a philosopher's stone -- able to achieve that union of one-to-all-to-one -- it's just that not everyone is willing to travel the path of hard work to get there. That's why I say that if the gate represents one's link to the universe/godhead, then the sacrifice of one's alchemy is so unfathomably great that I would've expected to find out Edward is slowly dying as a result of the disconnection, or came back with barely more mental activity than a comatose person stuck permanently in a faint dreamland bubbled by a confused subconscious.
Not sure that explains it, since I have no idea with Arakawa, but I do think she did the best she could with what's really a pretty complex and layered story. Plus, she has majorly kick-ass female characters, so I am more than happy (for once) to consider these complaints as purely academic fun and still love the story as-is, because just how often does a Winly, Ross, Hawkeye, Izumi, and Gen Olivia Armstrong come along, let alone all in the same story?
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Date: 13 Jul 2010 09:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 13 Jul 2010 05:23 pm (UTC)One reading of Issac's sacrifice is that it was enough for Abraham to be willing. Another, though, especially in Middle Ages theology, was that bloodletting was never intended, that Abraham misunderstood and was supposed to yield his son to God in spirit, not kill him. Hence the angelic intervention.
On the first model, perhaps Ed only needed to be willing to give up all alchemy in return for his brother's life.
On the second model, which I find more interesting, perhaps Ed has also misunderstood. Perhaps his sacrifice is something more esoteric, such as living without alchemy despite the fact that he does still have the potential, until he should gain the wisdom to understand that he /does/ still have the potential.
In either case, I could see that finding his way back to the Truth might be part of the desired sacrifice. Ed still has his knowledge and potential, but he's been sent back to the beginning as far as 'direct' alchemy goes, and he can either live without it or make the journey again, hopefully arriving at truer wisdom this time.
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Date: 19 Jul 2010 09:20 pm (UTC)On the second model, which I find more interesting, perhaps Ed has also misunderstood. Perhaps his sacrifice is something more esoteric, such as living without alchemy despite the fact that he does still have the potential, until he should gain the wisdom to understand that he /does/ still have the potential.
I absolutely agree -- this is far more worthy of questions at the end of a story, rather than the pat implications given under the credits in the final episode (which bestow considerably more attention/importance to images that are small and massed as a group, in the final pages of the manga-version). That is, if the story ends here and it's all "everything was great after that," then there's not much reason to keep considering the story, or to consider it still alive, if you know what I mean (and yes I know you do!).
Although in some respects it could be shoddy writing or a plothole, if the misunderstanding was intentional (on Arakawa's part, that is) and there isn't truly a conflict between ordinary and ordinary, then your second thesis holds definite water. Maybe that's why Arakawa doesn't show Ed trying a regular array, because she's leaving that open. I mean, this is the woman who encouraged Bones et al to go off the rails with their own interpretation in the first series -- from interview snippets here and there, it appears she told them loosely where things would end up (Roy's sight, Alphonse sacrificing himself as the center of an array, Hohenheim's involvement) and between that and the manga chapters the writers already had, she let them have at it, and immensely enjoyed their version of things and where they took the storyline.
That doesn't sound, to me, like someone who'd be all possessive about the story, but instead just might find great pleasure in provoking the readers into doing the same: going off the rails with all the what-ifs. Maybe that's also why I find the under-the-credits images to have a feeling almost like they were obligatory for those audience members who can't or won't go off the rails, who do require certainty that things end up "just so" ... but for the rest of us, there are enough questions in that second-to-last episode to keep us happy for some time.
And, too, she seems pretty savvy for someone who was still somewhat of a newbie mangaka when she first began FMA -- that what keeps the income rolling in is to keep the fandom fascinated with the story, and revisiting it, and what better way to do that than to drop enough hints that there's more to explore on the other side of the wardrobe door?
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Date: 15 Jul 2010 07:15 am (UTC)Eh, so like. Everyone has the potential to be more than ordinary, but they are still ordinary if they never make use of it. Now Ed will be stripped of what makes him extraordinary and have to live like everyone else.
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Date: 19 Jul 2010 09:34 pm (UTC)1. Person is born with no special skills = ordinary
2. Person learns alchemy = becomes NOT-ordinary
----- with Ed's variation as third-step:
3. Person loses alchemy = reset to ordinary
Not once has the series implied or indicated that alchemy is an inherent or innate or inborn skills. In fact, the few times the series discusses it, the implication seems to be -- like Roy expecting a talented alchemist to be in his early thirties -- that alchemy requires years of study and practice, and some puberty-stricken teenager just isn't going to be rocking the world, unless he happens to be a complete prodigy.
If, however, you go by Truth's version of "ordinary" then we're left to conclude the world actually works like:
1. some people are born without any ability for alchemy = ordinary
2. some people are born with innate/natural ability for alchemy = NOTordinary
ergo:
3. Ed was NEVER ordinary. He was BORN with it.
D'ya see what I mean now, by contradiction? It's not that most people don't use alchemy -- that's pretty clear from the story -- nor is it necessarily totally at issue whether or not most people could use alchemy with enough study. It's more fundamental than that: are alchemists innately/inherently superior/not-ordinary by some genetic or inherent trait, OR was Edward's version -- that he was ordinary, scaled the heights, and can go "back" to being ordinary -- the accurate one?
In which case, what's to stop him from developing all over again the skills that once made him extraordinary? Clapping hands -- non-array workings -- are somewhat beside-the-point in that sense, seeing how the human transmutation array is no small potatoes and he did that with an array like any other alchemist.
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Date: 19 Jul 2010 09:52 pm (UTC)