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[personal profile] kaigou
Those of you reading me for awhile know I was a jock for a good while, and retain a lot of that mindset. I was on crew in high school and college, and part of choosing it in the first place was because I didn't like to run, so track was out of the question; I hated swimming (though I was actually a moderately strong swimmer); and I had the eye-hand coordination of a small rock -- which ruled out soccer, baseball, basketball, and field hockey. Crew isn't a one-season sport, either -- we were on the water all seasons except for about November through March (when hypothermia was an issue), and even then we were doing land training in prep for the spring racing season. That cut down on ever having time to be exposed to any other sports, so I never really learned to appreciate anything but, well, crew.

Now, my first partner was a former HS-level football player (center, IIRC), and it's thanks to J that I was finally exposed to the strategy in football and learned it was more than just a ball, some running, some pushing. (Also keep in mind that crew is one of the least contact-sports out there, so anything involving "pile up on the other guy" left me kind of baffled as to how and when and why.) Fast forward a few more years and the chance to attend my B-I-L's hockey game, and I got to see just how much strategy and teamwork goes into hockey (and by extension, similar sports like lacrosse and soccer).

All that said, I've never had any interest in sports movies or sports animes. Hollywood movies, bleah, because almost without exception the focus is on one person's (excuse me, one white man's) journey from inept newbie to star of the team. That never jived with me, because crew is a sport where if one person shines, it's to the detriment of the team, in terms of competition. The goal is to become a seamless group, where the whole is greater than its parts, so Hollywood's insistence that there always must be a 'star' of the team runs counter to my understanding of what it means to be a team.

And, of course, with sports anime -- do I even need to mention TeniPuri here, or did you see that coming already? -- again there's the emphasis on 'star' of the team... and a bizarre martial-arts-influenced emphasis on special moves. It's so often treated like it's all a fight, complete with sweeping lines like flying through the air, so on and so on.

I believe it was [profile] xian_pu who first mentioned Ookiku Furikabutte (Big Windup), and it was her explanation that had me intrigued enough to check it out. Mostly, I think, because she made it clear the focus wasn't necessarily on a 'star' player who single-handedly leads the underdogs to greatness (although there's shades of that in the story), but because the main character has such low self-esteem despite working so damn hard, and the team has to come together as an actual team to achieve anything. No special moves, no flying through the air, no crazy attack names, just the team and the sport.

Now the series has finally started its second season, and I'm starting to get cranky that CentralAnime is slowing on its fansubbing -- they were releasing on Wednesday evening weekly, then it became mid-day Thursday, and the most recent fansub came out on Friday evening. Slowing down, people, and meanwhile NicePitching (who does the scanlations) is so very very slow. Normally bearable, but not when they're translating a single chapter in sections and split it right at a major cliff-hanger. Cruel, cruel!

I can't believe I'm hooked on a baseball series -- but more than that, I can't believe I'm hooked on a baseball series that's actually also teaching me a lot about baseball. Hell, if any of my PE teachers in grade school had even remotely explained half of what Oofuri explains in a single half-hour segment of a game, I would've been a lifetime diehard baseball fan. Even with such miserable eye-hand coordination.

Other folks who've explained the series' virtues, better than I:

Bateszi Anime Blog: Time to champion Ookiku Furikabutte
[personal profile] glittertine: Oofuri Chapter 24b
[personal profile] littlebutfierce: Why I Love Ookiku Furikabutte

You can find the manga on Onemanga.com, and the fansubs (including first season) by searching on Tokyo Toshokan.

Date: 8 May 2010 07:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] branchandroot
*laughing inordinately* It gets you in the end!

(Seriously, most sports manga /are/ martial arts manga. Just, you know, by other means.)

(To be fair, TeniPuri is unusually dreadful about the visible ki and utterly anti-physics moves. Anti-gravity shoes! Floating crack-fairies! And is a samurai flick, on top of that. But they key term really is "dreadful".)

*considers* You might actually like Eyeshield 21 (give the last arc a miss, though, the ethnicity-fail is appalling). It does have the wimp-to-star, but at least the whole team is doing the wimp-to-star thing, which helped a lot to hold my interest. And I really hate football! I mean really! It bores me to death! But... somehow I now know a lot about it, and giggle in a silly way whenever I pass my uni's team practicing because they have the same colors as Deimon. *still faintly puzzled how this came about*

I fell away from Oofuri early on because of the fandom, which was hideously 4chan and all about the "raep" 'jokes' and *pauses to be nauseated again* just, urgh. But I should probably go back and pick it up again now it's on onemanga and I don't have to deal with the fans to get it.

Date: 8 May 2010 08:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] annotated_em
You might also like Giant Killing, if you like the Oofuri team dynamic; it's kind of made of both awesome and win and seems like it's set to be about the team rather than the individual players (although the players are important, too). It's seinen, like Oofuri, which has a lot to do with the general tone and focus, I think.

I've been rereading Oofuri this week, and it makes me so damn gleeful, the boys are all so cute.

Date: 8 May 2010 08:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] annotated_em
*thoughtful* Fair enough; the pro vs. school thing doesn't twig for me, but I like the competition and teamwork more than anything else so I'm not necessarily paying attention to that aspect. I was gonna say that Giant Killing doesn't make a big deal out of professional aspect, except that it does acknowledge that the team is professional; players leave and move around, so even if they're doing it because they love it, it's still their job. On the other hand, you do get a slice of how the fans of the team are invested in how the team is doing, which is what I like, too--they're so very invested in how the team turns out that I can't help cooing.

Date: 9 May 2010 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] taithe
I totally agree with you. Picked up TeniPuri cos I heard it was entertaining but later on I wanted to strangle most of the characters. Mind you, tennis is more individual based so I wasn't expecting as much focus on teamwork.

Ugh, you totally brought up a point that reminded me why Whistle!, a soccer manga, had upset me when halfway through the main character moves on from his old team to work harder to level up. My understanding of the manga up until then had been that the team would grow as well. :\ Most sports anime/manga pretty much fit the shonen mold for this reason because you have a "hero" who has to battle multiple opponents and power up along the way. Oofuri's audience is supposed to be older than a shonen audience, I think.

The show is amazing in that it manages to convince people that baseball can be interesting. It's hard to stay in fandom as an English speaker though. Don't remember how behind the manga scanlations were but when I was following them they were doing that "split a chapter and release in sections" thing too. Glad there's a second season out so that it's easier to keep up.

Date: 9 May 2010 07:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arya
I could be wrong since I never followed the scanlation process and just went and read the finished product, but I think the split chapters is mostly because they release the magazine chapters as opposed to the tankoubon chapters. Oofuri chapters are loooong, right? And I vaguely remember one chapter that was actually all of 200+ pages (and I can't be sure but isn't 200+ the standard fair for a tankoubon? So that whole volume was probably comprised of that one chapter + maybe some omake + character profiles).

The magazine that runs it, Afternoon, is a monthly seinen manga serialization and since the usual monthly magazines contain 50/60-ish pages a chapter, I think the scanlation group is releasing the chapters as the magazine releases them. I remembered being awed waybackwhen because, "How can one mangaka draw 100+ pages per chapter in a month?" is how I approached Oofuri and it was only when people started sharing raws that I realized, no, Higuchi draws just as much as the usual monthly mangaka, because I don't think I've ever seen her pass the 60+ pages mark at all. She just has her own way of titling her chapters, I think, as she doesn't follow the magazine release numbers like all the other manga/mangaka.

Date: 9 May 2010 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] leorising
I have always loved watching baseball -- I am as athletic as the proverbial fish on a bicycle -- and have started reading the OF scanlations. Thank you! It looks like it'll be fun. (Also, I think I'll skip the fandoms.)

I love the gazillion strategies involved in baseball, the ever-changing mix of physics, physicality, psychology and even weather that make each play in each game unique. (As opposed to basketball. You know, where they stand in front of a hoop whose height and position never changes, yet most millionaire players still can't manage to hit a standing free throw 3 out of 4 times? Indoors? Zzzzz.) Unfortunately, baseball has been ruined in the US for many, many years, IMO, and I find it unfollowable any more. Thanks for giving me a summer baseball fix I can get behind!

Sorry I came late to the party, so I wasn't aware of your athletic achievements. Fantastic! I've always envied those whose bodies allow them to become athletes. Sounds like you enjoyed it and got a lot out of it. ^_^

Date: 9 May 2010 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] leorising
Hahaha! Well, it sounds like your mom was very wise. And you seem to have made a choice you could love.

Sounds like an interesting discussion. I think I'd go to hockey next, then to boxing (which, I know, is not a team sport, but requires a lot of physicality and strategy and just plain old guts. Must be the Irish in me. Although I'm not as cool watching guys pound each other as I used to be, and kickboxing etc. is right out. Ah, for the days of Ali and Frazier...) It's hard to argue with 9/10ths of the world, but soccer is just soooooooo daaaaaaaaaamn slooooooooooow. American football is okay, I guess, in a pinch, when I'm desperate to watch something Not Basketball.

Very interesting, indeed. ^_^