The "icky" thing is actually very common in younger yaoi fangirls -- those who haven't yet accepted their sexuality. They use M/M as a proxy to explore sex and relationships in a way that feels less immediate, because, well, they're not boys! So they have this screen of "it's not really about me, so it's safe to explore with" even though in fact it's very obvious it IS about them, seeing how so much yaoi has the uke so completely girlified that if he did have tits to go with his micro-cock everyone would scream misogyny.
But in M/F you have a real girl! who is all too often seen as competition for the desirable male character in which case HATE, or who sends an image the fangirl can't identify with therefore HATE, or to which she can identify too well and in ways she doesn't like! For example the relena hate in GW fandom and the sakura hate in naruto/sasuke fandom -- the girl gets with the hot guy! AND she is ordinary in a very immature-teenager way, and they don't like seeing their faults thrown back in their faces, no matter how realistic the character is, so they hate it on principle so they don't have to face what they could see of themselves in it.
Also, in M/F lemons the girl has... like... a *pussy* -- *like they do*. And they don't really know how it works yet, and it's kinda scary to explore that, and good girls don't want sex anyway so if they/the girl character does she must be a whore! So, using one of the male characters as tongs to handle the sexual vibes without touching them directly. (this also explains the often glaring lack of understanding of male anatomy and sexuality in so many stories, but there they care less since it's not about representing male sexuality well, it's about exploring female sexuality. Being inexact with the male stuff isn't as immediately problematic.)
I'm sure some young fans must find M/F icky because they're lesbians, but when a straight girl finds het icky that's often for a reason like that. Het feels too immediate. (maybe in some cases it's because they can't identify with any of the girls, but ... huh.) I don't know about the older fans; when I got older I turned toward bisexual polyamory so obviously I'm not a good example. XD;
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Date: 3 Dec 2009 12:47 pm (UTC)But in M/F you have a real girl! who is all too often seen as competition for the desirable male character in which case HATE, or who sends an image the fangirl can't identify with therefore HATE, or to which she can identify too well and in ways she doesn't like! For example the relena hate in GW fandom and the sakura hate in naruto/sasuke fandom -- the girl gets with the hot guy! AND she is ordinary in a very immature-teenager way, and they don't like seeing their faults thrown back in their faces, no matter how realistic the character is, so they hate it on principle so they don't have to face what they could see of themselves in it.
Also, in M/F lemons the girl has... like... a *pussy* -- *like they do*. And they don't really know how it works yet, and it's kinda scary to explore that, and good girls don't want sex anyway so if they/the girl character does she must be a whore! So, using one of the male characters as tongs to handle the sexual vibes without touching them directly. (this also explains the often glaring lack of understanding of male anatomy and sexuality in so many stories, but there they care less since it's not about representing male sexuality well, it's about exploring female sexuality. Being inexact with the male stuff isn't as immediately problematic.)
I'm sure some young fans must find M/F icky because they're lesbians, but when a straight girl finds het icky that's often for a reason like that. Het feels too immediate. (maybe in some cases it's because they can't identify with any of the girls, but ... huh.) I don't know about the older fans; when I got older I turned toward bisexual polyamory so obviously I'm not a good example. XD;